{"id":6297,"date":"2021-10-15T20:24:55","date_gmt":"2021-10-16T00:24:55","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/marianne2024.com\/?p=6297"},"modified":"2025-06-19T23:01:58","modified_gmt":"2025-06-20T03:01:58","slug":"the-war-in-afghanistan","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/marianne2024.com\/es\/the-war-in-afghanistan\/","title":{"rendered":"THE WAR IN AFGHANISTAN"},"content":{"rendered":"<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-post\" data-elementor-id=\"6297\" class=\"elementor elementor-6297\" data-elementor-post-type=\"post\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<section data-particle_enable=\"false\" data-particle-mobile-disabled=\"false\" class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-2174a0ce elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"2174a0ce\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column 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data-id=\"6222f2d\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>One of America\u2019s weaknesses is a tendency to move off a topic as soon as it becomes uncomfortable. We\u2019re not known as a nation for deep reflection, often failing to learn the deeper lessons an experience affords and thus dooming ourselves to repeat it.<\/p><p>We\u2019ve all heard a million times that we have \u201cthe most powerful military in the world.\u201d We certainly have the largest. And the most expensive. But do we have the most powerful one, really? It\u2019s painful but important to remind ourselves that we\u2019ve now lost three wars in a row.<\/p><p>The war in Vietnam? It should never have been fought. The war in Iraq? It should never have been fought. The war in Afghanistan? A different story, because given 9\/11 there was a reason to go in there originally. But the 20-year war we waged in Afghanistan turned out to be a spectacular failure, with the Taliban back in power within days of our departure. We are making a terrible mistake if we don\u2019t at least try to understand what went wrong.<\/p><div><figure><div><p><picture><source srcset=\"https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc1e2121c-c8fb-47e8-8bba-63a1269c0a5c_1024x766.jpeg 424w, https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc1e2121c-c8fb-47e8-8bba-63a1269c0a5c_1024x766.jpeg 848w, https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc1e2121c-c8fb-47e8-8bba-63a1269c0a5c_1024x766.jpeg 1272w, https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc1e2121c-c8fb-47e8-8bba-63a1269c0a5c_1024x766.jpeg 1456w\" type=\"image\/webp\" sizes=\"100vw\" \/><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc1e2121c-c8fb-47e8-8bba-63a1269c0a5c_1024x766.jpeg\" sizes=\"100vw\" srcset=\"https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc1e2121c-c8fb-47e8-8bba-63a1269c0a5c_1024x766.jpeg 424w, https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc1e2121c-c8fb-47e8-8bba-63a1269c0a5c_1024x766.jpeg 848w, https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc1e2121c-c8fb-47e8-8bba-63a1269c0a5c_1024x766.jpeg 1272w, https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc1e2121c-c8fb-47e8-8bba-63a1269c0a5c_1024x766.jpeg 1456w\" alt=\"\" width=\"366\" height=\"273.78515625\" data-attrs=\"{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https:\/\/bucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com\/public\/images\/c1e2121c-c8fb-47e8-8bba-63a1269c0a5c_1024x766.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:766,&quot;width&quot;:1024,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:366,&quot;bytes&quot;:346996,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image\/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null}\" \/><\/picture><\/p><div>\u00a0<\/div><\/div><figcaption>Scott Nelson<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div><p>After the deaths of almost 2,500 American soldiers, thousands of coalition forces dead, thousands more Americans whose lives will forever be painfully affected, the deaths of tens of thousands of Afghans, and a cost of 2.3 trillion dollars (2 trillion of which went directly to defense contractors), surely we must ask, <em>\u201cWhat happened here?\u201d<\/em><\/p><p>Yet who, exactly, is going to ask that? We shouldn\u2019t leave the analysis of the war to the same people who did such a terrible job waging it. Yet that\u2019s currently what\u2019s happening. Congress is calling the military brass to Capitol Hill to explain what happened, but it\u2019s largely the same performative exercise with which they provided so-called Congressional oversight of the war for the last 20 years.<\/p><p>On September 28th, Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin told Congress this about Afghanistan: \u201cWe built a state but we could not forge a nation.\u201d That very sentence &#8211; so false, and so full of arrogance &#8211; encapsulates the ugliness of American hubris. No, we did not \u201cbuild a state\u201d in Afghanistan; we built and enabled a corrupt, undemocratic government there. And no, we didn\u2019t need to \u201cforge a nation;\u201d Afghanistan has been a nation for thousands of years! Whatever clever wordsmith over at the Defense Department came up with that line for the Secretary\u2019s speech should be ashamed.<\/p><p>So to expect any deep reflection, radical truth-telling or meaningful analysis from our war planners &#8211; military, Congressional or executive &#8211; is naive. If they even knew what really went wrong, they might have done things differently to begin with.<\/p><p>And if Congress was really interested in getting to the bottom of it? They would be calling George W. Bush, Barack Obama and Donald Trump to come in and answer a few questions as well. But they won\u2019t, of course, because to do so would disrupt the illusion that our government has control over our war machine. Sadly, it\u2019s the other way around. Even after all the death, and all the horror, it\u2019s essentially business as usual in Washington.<\/p><p data-attrs=\"{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https:\/\/mariannewilliamson.substack.com\/?utm_source=substack&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_content=share&amp;action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share TRANSFORM with Marianne Williamson&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}\" data-component-name=\"ButtonCreateButton\">Routing the Taliban from Afghanistan originally was an exercise in brute force at which we succeeded. But keeping them out &#8211; and helping the Afghans keep them out &#8211; was something that required skills not currently in America\u2019s tool box. If anything, we proved the ultimate futility of endless violence. We waged war, but we failed miserably at providing the conditions for a sustainable post-war state of peace. In the end, that means we failed completely.<\/p><p><strong>Today\u2019s podcast is called <\/strong><em><strong>THE WAR IN AFGHANISTAN: An Effort to More Deeply Understand.<\/strong><\/em> It is compiled from <a href=\"https:\/\/mariannewilliamson.substack.com\/s\/reflections-on-afghanistan\" rel=\"\">interviews I conducted over the last few weeks<\/a>, with various voices providing meaningful reflections on the war.<\/p><p>On Afghanistan, as on so many issues, it\u2019s imperative that we push against the grain of shallow and ultimately meaningless narrative that dominates our politics. I hope you\u2019ll take the time to listen very carefully to this important podcast, produced brilliantly by Jon Ehrens. I\u2019m grateful to Sarah Chayes, Laura Jedeed, Zainab Salbi, Tom Freston, Joe Cirincione, and Obaidullah Baheer for sharing their experiences and insights.<\/p><p>Let\u2019s join in an effort to more deeply understand this American, and Afghan, tragedy. My greatest hope is that out of something truly terrible there will arise something truly wise.<\/p><div>\u00a0<\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>0:00 \/ 0:00 The War in Afghanistan One of America\u2019s weaknesses is a tendency to move off a topic as soon as it becomes uncomfortable. We\u2019re not known as a nation for deep reflection, often failing to learn the deeper lessons an experience affords and thus dooming ourselves to repeat it. 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